FAMILY QUILT: FROM TWO TO TWELVE PART ONE JESSE JAMES POYNER

In the beginning, of course it was just the two of them.  So let’s start there.

This post will be about Grandpa Jesse.

Jesse James Poyner was the son of Jonathan L. Poyner (1832-1907) and Martha Ann Scott (1848-1829).  He was born in Topeka, Shawnee County, Kansas according to some records, although one census record shows him born in Iowa. Still another birth location can be found in one section of his railroad retirement papers where it says he was born in Nevada, Vernon County,  Missouri.  This is a possibility because his parents were in Platte County, Missouri in the 1880 census.   More on this later.

He and his twin sister Esse Mae were numbers 12 and 13 of the thirteen children born to John and Martha.  According to most records they were born on November 12, 1887 in Topeka, Shawnee County, Kansas.  Although one record showed the twins born in two different locations and days apart.  Neat trick if you can do it.

I’ve not learned much about young Jesse but I am certain life was interesting in the Poyner household with 13 children.  I know his family was involved in the Civil War on the Union side.  But I’ll write more on that as I flesh out those ancestors for you.

One family story is that he was named after the famous outlaw Jessie James who visited the Poyner household and gave them $50 when he left.  This story, does say the father Jonathan was dead at that point, but documents show John did not die until 1907.  He was, however, some what disabled and therefore, the outlaw may have sought to help out the large family due to John not being able to work.

Whether Jesse James visited the Poyner household or not he would have visited long before the twins were born because the outlaw Jesse James died in 1882 at St. Joseph, MO, five years before the twins birth.

I am certain that the outlaw being famous at least made the idea of the name Jesse James feasible.

On January 5, 1907 Jesse registered for the military draft.  From his draft records we learn that at that time he was short in stature, of medium build with blue eyes and dark hair.  I guess that is where my mother got her blue eyes and Lula’s  her dark hair.

From a telephone conversation with Dollie Faye Poyner Keefover Jones on January 10, 1997:

Jessie age 22 proposed to Lena age 15 and told her if she would marry him he would homestead a piece of land of about 160 acres near Jasper, Arkansas on Mount Sherman and he would build her a home there.  She accepted and he did just that.  They spent their honeymoon under a large tree on the homestead.  He built a cabin out of the pine trees on the land.  The original cabin had two large rooms.  After they moved into that he added two more large rooms.

Years ago I was sent photos of the remains of the log cabin.  This was all that remained in the late 1990’s. Even in this state you can get an idea of how much work young Jesse put into the cabin for his young bride

 They lived there until Edith was about 6 months old then moved Collinsville, Oklahoma.

 When they moved to Collinsville they basically moved off and left everything, including the pigs.  This was around the depression era and no one had any money to buy anything. He worked at a smelter in Collinsville until Dolly Fay was about 6 months old.

 Then he went to work for the Santa Fe Railroad. When Faye was 6 years old they went to Vera, Oklahoma, when she was 13 they moved to Owasso, Oklahoma at age 15 they moved back to Collinsville, Oklahoma and then when she was 16-17 they moved to Tulsa.  Each of the moves were with his employer the Santa Fe Railroad who he stayed with in Tulsa until he retired.

It was once mentioned to me that Grandpa Jesse was minus one finger due to a train coupling accident while working for the Santa Fe.  I vaguely remember someone we knew, when I was young that was minus one finger, but I can’t remember for certain if it was him.  Does anyone know for sure?

They were married on January 2, 1910 by Elderman Aaron D. Cole, Minister of the Gospel in Jasper, Newton County, Arkansas.

They were married nearly 55 years until his death on November 24, 1964 in Carbondale, Tulsa County, Oklahoma from coronary acclusion (thrombosis, coronary sclerosis, aterioseratic cardiovascular).  He was at Paul’s (#6) when he died.

At this point I should be placing a copy of the death certificate, but I no longer seem to have one.  If you have a copy of his death certificate I would appreciate a scan or photo of it please.  In the meantime I will try to figure out where my copy went

During his lifetime he was a hardworking man who worked as a section hand for the Santa Fe Railroad.  His retirement record provides the following information.

On Sept 15th 1939 He lived in Vera, Washington County, Oklahoma this form says he was born in Topeka, Kansas, he was section labor and began with them on Oct 16, 1926 in the Tract department in South Kansas for the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway System out of Topeka Kansas. On the typed copy of the handwritten form it is noted that his birth place and date has not been verified.  This is important as in later paperwork in this file it says he was born in Nevada, MO on the same date as what he has listed for Topeka, KS.  he is always listed as a laborer and his salary is given for each time period.  His last day to work was Dec 31, 1952 and he started receiving his pension in Jan. 1953.  Prior to this time he had signed all of his own forms, but the form with the Nevada, MO date and his pension paperwork are signed by a witnessed X.  He may have had his first stroke by that time.  He was then living at 1068 N. Peoria, Tulsa, OK. To prove his age he gave a copy of a census records showing him to be 32 in 1919.

Image that he raised all ten kids on this salary.  Also notice it says his middle initial was F.  But we know better, I am certain this is his file  This was just one page in his employment record.  His complete record will soon be on the companion site and then I'll add hyper links to this blog for it.  In the meantime, here is his compensation sheet.

To receive his pension after his death Lena supplied a copy of the marriage license showing him to be 22 and her 15 in 1910.

Several years ago while visiting with Faye, #7, we discussed how Grandpa had put money into that retirement fund all the time he had worked and when it came time for retirement he was told he could either have his railroad retirement fund or his social security, but not both.  At that point she showed me a metal gold colored card that was his rr retirement card.  I told her then I would love to have that card if she ever wanted to part with it.  I wonder if Tom still has it.  If so I would still love to have it.

Over the years various family members have told me that at one point, during economic hard times, most likely during the depression/dust bowl.  Jesse and Lena loaded up all the kids that were still living at home in an old car, strapped everything they owned to it and headed for California in search of a better future.  They went to perhaps the Rosewood, CA area, but I am not certain.  I am basing this guess on the fact that at the recent reunion there were two unidentified photos from family files that said “Rosewood, California” on the back of them.

I, however, think they must have gone to CA prior to 1926 since that is when he started work for the railroad.

Every time I have heard this story I have thought of the “Grapes of Wrath” story and have envisioned that car with Poyner children hanging out all over as a cross between the iconic Grapes of Wrath car photos and the Beverly Hillbillies truck.  I’m sure neither one is entirely accurate, but I have an active imagination.

I was 14 when Grandpa died and remember very little about him other than he was a sweet, gentle man that seemed to take pride in all his grandchildren.  In his later years he stayed with us for a short while and I read to him daily from a tiny red bible per his request.  I was also in charge of washing his feet, which he said tickled when I did it. 

I know by that point he had some skin cancer and it was prescribed he drink goat’s milk as a possible “cure” and preventive for that.  He had the places removed from his face surgically. 

I also remember Grandma Lena complaining the goat milk made his urine smell, but my mother kept taking goat milk to him.  Where she got it I don’t know, but the doctor said he needed it so she took it.

I remember attending his funeral and being very upset when they opened his casket at the graveside because it was so cold and windy and I didn’t want him to be cold.

I also seem to be missing my photo of his tombstone, so if someone has one I would love a digital image of it too.  

Those are the facts and memories of Grandpa Jesse I have.  I would love to hear from all of you about your memories and additional information you might have on him.  Please send them to me at my friends and family email address: c.j.dreammaker@gmail.com  Below is a list and the dates I have for the children of Jesse and Galeenah.

Transcription of census records for Jesse James Poyner

1900 Jackson, Newton Co.,  AR

Poyner, John L. 68 India (na?) day laborer NC MD

                Martha 52 IN IN IN

                George W. 20 KS

                Anna 15 KS

                Essa 12

                Jessa 12

1910 Newton Co. AR Census: Soundex 043 0097 0178

Poiner, Jesse J. husband white age 23 b. KS AR

     Lena white age 16 b. OK

1920 AR Soundex, Newton Co:

Poyner, Jesse J. Vol 44 ED 100 Sheet 8 line 79

Age 32 b. IOWA (JP NOTE: this is the first Iowa has shown up as a birthplace, but his father enlisted in the Union Army in Iowa, so this is a good possiblity)

     Lena age 25 b. AR (uhhh, everything I have says OK

     son Evrett age 8 b. AR

     Son Edward age 5 b. AR

     daug LuLu M. 3 8/12 b. AR

     daugh Edith 1/ 4/12 b. AR

1930 OK, Tulsa County, Incoporated Place Collinsville. CT Ward 2 ED 72-7 Supervisiors District #6 Sheet 2A pg 79  April 3, 1930 Alma E. Miller

1216 33 34

Poyner, Jesse J. Head of household  M W 42 married at age 22  IA, IA, IA RR worker

                Lena    wife                          F W 35                          15, OK, TN, AR

                Everett J. son                       MW 18 single                     AR, IA, OK field laborer

                Eddie C. son                        MW  16 single                     AR, IA, OK dairy laborer

                Lula M. daughter                  FW 13 single                      AR, IA, OK

                Edith I. daughter                  FW 11 single                      AR, IA, OK

                Gladys F. daughter             FW 8 single                         AR, IA, OK

                Clarence P. son                   MW 5 single                        OK, IA, OK

                Dolly F. daughter                 FW 4.5 single                     OK, IA, OK

                Kenneth L. son                     MW 1.5 single                     OK, IA, OK

Family Group Sheet for Jesse James Poyner

Husband: Jesse James Poyner

Birth: 12 Nov 1887 in Topeka, Shawnee, Kansas, USA

Marriage: 02 Jan 1910 ; Married by Elderman Aaron D. Cole, Minister of the

Gospel

Burial: Nov 1964 ; Collinsville, Oklahoma in Ridgelawn Cemetery..

Death: 24 Nov 1964 in Carbondale, Tulsa County, Oklahoma

Mother: Martha Ann Scott

Father: Jonathan L. Poyner

Mother:

Wife: Galeenah Carney

Birth: 16 Jul 1893 in Oolagah, Cherokee County, Oklahoma IT (now

Rogers County, Oklahoma)

Death: 29 Dec 1983 in Oklahoma, USA

Burial: 30 Dec 1983 ; Ridgelawn Cemetery, Collinsville Oklahoma

Mother: Columbia Porter Branham

Father: Chesterfield Monroe Carney

Married second: Simon Peter Barnes August 2, 1965

Children:

Name: James Everett Poyner

Birth: 19 Aug 1911 in Arkansas, USA

Marriage: 1936 in Oklahoma, USA

Death: 19 Aug 1984 in Collinsville, Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA

Burial: 22 Aug 1984 in Collinsville, Rogers, Oklahoma, USA

Spouse: Iva Lou Maines

Name: Eddie Chester Poyner

Birth: 01 Feb 1914

Death: 04 Jul 1993

Burial: Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA

Spouse: Ada Loweda Adkins

Spouse: Thelma Douglas

Name: Lula May Poyner

Birth: 04 May 1916 in Newton, Arkansas, USA

Marriage: 10 Mar 1934 in Collinsville, Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA

Death: 16 Dec 2006 in Iowa, USA

Burial: 20 Dec 2006 ; Collinsville Cemetery, Collinsville, OK

Spouse: Charles Deward Maxey

Spouse: Mike Maynard

Name: Edith Irene Poyner

Birth: 30 Aug 1918 in Jasper, Newton, Arkansas, USA

Marriage: 05 Feb 1941

Death: 03 Jan 1979 in Tulsa, Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA

Spouse: Leo Raymond Deckard

Name: Gladys Fern Poyner

Birth: 09 Apr 1921 in Arkansas, USA

Death: 21 Oct 1987

Spouse: Vernon Worley

Spouse: Lawrence Wickham

Spouse: Marion Beall

Name: Clarence Paul Poyner

Birth: 20 Apr 1924 in Collinsville, Rogers, Oklahoma, USA

Death: 17 Sep 1980

Spouse: Effie Cunningham

Spouse: Phala Dean Lunfod

Name: Dollie Faye Poyner

Birth: 21 Mar 1926 in Collinsville, Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA

Marriage: 11 Feb 1942 in Collinsville, Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA

Spouse: James Russell Keefover

Spouse: Willard Spotted Horse

Spouse: Thomas Edward Jones

Name: Kenneth Lee Poyner

Birth: May 6, 1929

Death: October 7, 2015

Marriage: February 25, 1956

Spouse: Ella Mae Sandfer

Spouse: Vantress Unknown

Spouse: Geraldine Robinson

Name: Hazel Elizabeth Poyner

Birth: 23 Apr 1931 in Collinsville, Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA

Marriage: 03 Jun 1947 ; Marriage License lists Hazel's age as 18, she was

barely 16 at the time.

Death: 04 Apr 1988 in Eucha, Delaware, Oklahoma, USA

Burial: 06 Apr 1988 ; Ridgelawn Cemetery, Collinsville, Rogers, Oklahoma

USA

Spouse: Earl Boykin

Name: Charles Clyde Poyner

Birth: 23 Nov 1934 in Vera, Washington, Oklahoma, USA

Marriage: 01 Sep 1952

Death: 23 Feb 2003

Burial: 28 Feb 2003 ; Calvery Cemetery, Tulsa, Tulsa Co., OK

Spouse: Claudia May “Snooks” Badgwell

FAMILY REUNION PART DEUX: B

Trying this again, blog spot is being difficult tonight.

FAMILY REUNION PART DEUX: A

Actually it is part 2002.  That was the last Poyner Reunion I attended.  It was at the armory, and my brother even attended!

Anyway, while gathering the photos for the future posts on the generations I ran across a disc that had photos from the reunion in 2002.  It amazed me how many of those that attended that year were no longer with us.

I decided I would share the photos now, before we lost anyone else.  As always, I hav eno idea who some of these folks are.  So if you see your family, or recognize someone else, please e me which photo it is and tell me who.  Are you ready?  Here we go:

Even with me skipping several photos that are similar this is going to get quite long.  Hang in there this website is only letting upload so many photos per post.  So look I'll do a part B to get more up.

INTRODUCTION

October 4, 2015

Yesterday I attended a family reunion for the descendants of Jesse James Poyner and Galeenah Carney Poyner considering they had 10 children the turnout was fairly low, but it was a good group and we all had fun.

I want to thank Jetta Smith, d/o (daughter of) Paul Poyner for pulling it together.  We are all getting older and the first generation cousins are starting to thin out a bit. We definitely need to get together more often before we are all gone.

I personally enjoyed the great food and reconnecting with cousins.  We discussed our family genealogy, family stories and I promised to share the research I have been doing on this set of patches for this section of my “family quilt.”

I guess I should explain that term, “family quilt”, I have always felt we are all the pieces of a huge quilt made from the pieces of the past, our ancestors.  So I refer to my genealogy as the family quilt.

So back to why this blog is being created and what it will hold in the future. 

At one point I had a pretty elaborate webpage that was for all my genealogy for both sides of my children’s ancestry.  It had music and lots of details, but no photos and soon became bulky and hard to add to or make corrections to a time went on. 

Then we changed providers for our internet and lost that webpage.  I’ve often toyed with putting another one back up, but I wanted it to be more than just a boring list of who was the s/o (son of) and who md (married) who. 

I wanted all the living relatives to be able to read and contribute family stories to, find the facts, the photos, copies of the legal documents and so much more.  Because by sharing what we know we can all learn more about who we are and maybe why we are the way we are.

This morning it dawned on me I could create a blog, post what I have gathered since 1988 and encourage other family members to share what they know or have. 

My contact info is here on the page and I would love to hear from you be you a close relative or a distant cousin either by blood or by love.  I would like not only the basic facts you have for your branch, but any stories you might have about our ancestors.

I am also looking for copies of photos of family members, their homes, businesses, vehicles, graves,  birth/marriage/death certificates, military records, awards or certifications they might have received, just basically anything that can tell us more about them.  And yes, I do want all marriages because some of those marriages produced children that are our cousins.

I  have a request:  Please write up an “I remember Mama/Papa” story of your parents that you can share with all of us.  I know I have my own memories of most of the aunts and uncles, but others I knew very little about.  I will post your stories here on the blog with credit to you for the writing.

I would also like stories about our departed cousins.

Plus if any of you have a favorite memory of any of the relatives I would love to have those stories to share as well.

Please send them to me privately at: c.j.dreammaker@gmail.com this email is different from my facebook email and is reserved for friends and family. If you send it to the other address I might not see it for days, or weeks even.

Now a few rules I have imposed on myself.  While I want the name, birth date etc of all the living individuals for my personal use I will not be publishing the birth dates or contact information.  I MAY, still wishy washy on that, put their names, but all other info will simply say living.  I would like your input on the names situation. 

If someone contacts me saying they would like to connect with a certain living family member I will contact that family member and give them the info, ask them if they want to be in touch with that person and then if so give them both the others contact info.  From then on it is up to them.

Also any stories, let’s keep them family friendly.   You send the stories to me, and with your permission I will put them up on this blog.  Same for the photos and other information.  If you send me some documentation you do not want put on the blog please tell me up front, and it will not be posted. 

Each post will include the basic information of that particular patch of the quilt.  I use the Family Treemaker Genealogy program and it has a lot of options to it.  If anyone has FTM (Family Treemaker) and wants a copy of my records to this point I can send them a file electronically.

Others that want copies of the entire genealogy I have on the Poyners and Carneys I can do it as pdf file and email it to you as an attachment, or hard copies, but both will be quite large.  I have some lines back very far in history.  If you want them in either format let me know and we’ll work it all out so you get copies of your own quilt. I am also willing to share copies of any photo, or scan I post. I will zip electronic files when possible to cut down the transmission size.

So that is the basic intro.  I’m already working on the first post about your ancestors.  I hope to hear from Poyners and Carneys from all over as a result of this blog.  If you know of other family members that are on facebook, or can be contacted in other ways about the family genealogy I would love their contact info or you can give them mine.

Anytime a blog post is added I will post it on facebook.  If you are not on facebook click the link on this page to follow this blog and you will receive notifications about any updates. I will also try to remember to email those not on facebook when a post is up.  However, I get busy, so if you see there is a post and know a family member not on facebook you might let them know.

If you have any comments to make on a post feel free to leave them in the comments box below or to email me privately.

Oh one other thing, I tend to end all emails and many of my blog posts (and I do write several other blogs—see the list on this page and hyperlink to them if you like) as Jan fill in the blank in OK.  It’s a long story, but basically that signature is a result of a misunderstanding on a yahoogroup years ago.

Charolett “Jan” Boykin Patterson d/o #9 Hazel Elizabeth Poyner Boykin in OK